Posts by Curious Mind

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Aussie JW Sues Ram...Baa!!! + WT Perjury!!!

by TheApostleAK in

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an article appeared in last thursdays advertiser newspaper over here in south australia regarding a court case where a current jehovah's witness (tm) sued a farmer and the adelaide congregation of jehovahs witnesses for injuries he sustained during a 'house-to-house' visit.. sorry i haven't got time to reproduce the whole 3/4-page article so i'll just paraphrase it.

if any aussies want to see it just go to your state library and they'd have it there.

article details:.

Curious Mind

In it's defence, the Adelaide Congregation Of Jehovahs Witnesses said doorknocking was VOLUNTARY and followers WERE NOT OBLIGED to undertake the activity.

"Whether or not anyone claiming to be one of the Jehovahs Witnesses and the extent of such involvement is a personal matter for each individual to decide," it said

Yeah TAAK, we also read the same article, as we are in SA. The one thing that caught our attention is the lack of research the lawyer so obviously conducted, as any witness would be able to testify (but they wouldnt) is how a service record is kept and determines your level of privileges and status as a JW. (not to mention the ample research into this).

There is also an apology in todays (saturday 24the Advertiser) that the 'brother' did not sue the adelaide JW, actually the insurance compnay did and no doubt recouped any money lost in the settlement.

I can only see only one way to stop JW's from injuring themselves on your property when they enter uninvited and then sue you and that is to be listed as a DNC..... one wonders how that would go down.

PS, as a side note the brother is still a JW. PSS, I seriously doubt you would be able to get the transcript as it would be a district crt judgement and these are not usually on the internet.

Curious MInd

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Your LAST door

by RAYZORBLADE in

just curious.

would anyone like to share, if they feel like it, their memory of the last door they ever knocked on?

i was with about 3 or 4 other people, all sisters.

Curious Mind

For the life of me i cannot remember my last door but that is probably because i didnt realize at the time that it was my last although i can remember my first at about 5 years old on my own for goodness sake. My last meeting i do remember the 97 memorial at a friends congo, did not know a soul and the congo kept it that way, not one person even approached me or my wife,oh the love we felt, i vividly remember we had the exact same feeling in the car on the way home . thats it its over.

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they are coming to get me

by Curious Mind in

a bit of background first.

i was raised a jw and baptized at 15 although to say i was dedicated was stupid, anyway began to fade with my wife after we were married and finally broke away about 10 years ago although we were not da,d or df,d.

three years ago i decided to do what i had always wanted to and joined the airforce which i am immensly proud of and enjoy greatly ,somrthing i could never say about being a jw.

Curious Mind

A bit of background first. I was raised a jw and baptized at 15 although to say i was dedicated was stupid, anyway began to fade with my wife after we were married and finally broke away about 10 years ago although we were not da,d or df,d. Three years ago i decided to do what i had always wanted to and joined the airforce which i am immensly proud of and enjoy greatly ,somrthing i could never say about being a jw. Now comes the problem ,my family with the exception of my dad are all jw still as are my wife,s family and all know i am in the airforce because i was honest and told them so. Also my wife,s stepfather is an elder, to his credit when i told him he said because i had no contact with the congo he would just let it sleep, however today he told me the society has decided they need to check up on people like me to find out there status and that he has told the elders there is an issue concerning me and that by my actions i have da,d myself but that it was a loving thing on the orgs part to check on my spiritual welfare. after 10 years and not an elder in sight i think its a little late. Who are they protecting, the congo who i have no contact with ? The only thing this will do is stop our family seeing us because it certainly wont make me beg forgiveness and renounce my evil warmongering ways as they see it So now i am waiting the knock on the door and isnt that going to be an interesting conversation because if they think they have any jurisdiction over me they really are deluded.

Bye for now Mr curious.

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Should Religion Be Exempt From Ethical Standards?

by AlanF in

i want to raise this serious question: should religion be exempt from normal societal ethical standards?.

i'm raising this question for several reasons.

there is a recent thread where people are arguing about whether religious confessions should be privileged communications.

Curious Mind

If we're not to respect the clergy-penitient privelege, then why on earth should we respect lawyer-client privelege

Yerusalyim, you miss the point of lawyer/client privilege, in Australia there are 2 anyway! ;(pretty sure there are 2 n the USA as well) ;The point is that the relationship is suspose to be based on trust and it is not there fot the lawyer to advise or judge the client, the lawyer is acting for the client in obtaining what he wants, usually a legal defence, a client is not interested in the moral opinions of the lawyer and the lawyer doesnt express any. If lawyers were in a position of having to disclose what transpired within the relationship with regard to communications then the legal system would shut down as every accused person would be advised to "shut up' and plea not guilty as the state has to prove any criminal charge, plea's and settlements would become non existent.

Whereas a clergy-penitent privilege is engaged so the confessor can attain absolution, forgiveness, or whatever else. The communication is not used or created in defence of a legal problem, it's purpose is to solve moral problems. And as such my opinion is that as soon as the clergy are confronted with a legal problem it should immediatiely be handed over to the appropriate authorites. A church should never been in the position of shielding criminals and illegal activity. There is a clear ethic conflict of duty for the church if they do this - and this is to be strictly avoided by legal professionals as well as others

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Looking for a good family law attorney

by Ray Skyhorse in

can anyone recommend a good family law attorney practising in northern california (humboldt county)?

i need to get a divorce and it will probably get messy since child custody will be an issue.. thanks,.

ray

Curious Mind

Hello Ray

Im not sure how its done in the states but in Australia you can check with the law society/association and ask for a reference for a solicitor/lawyer either in your area or in the area of law you need. There is always the interent to search as many lawyers advertise or have homepages. Then there are the courts, if you have time, go down to your family court and watch.. this way you can see them in action before you commit yourself. Also most lawyers have the first interview free, but dont expect any answer - its not how the law works. the best advise is to be prepared. Have all the necessary information, dates of seperation, list of assets and laibilites and any interim custody orders and any other issues that have arisen (dom violence, etc etc).

Also it would be worthy of knowing where and in what environment you child will be residing (in the family home or not, staying with people etc etc). My strongest advise would be to NOT leave the family home, if possible seperate by relocating into another room and seperate all financial arrangements this includes bank accounts and always maintain any records, especially financial. What you pay for and when and what financial support you provide, keep cheque butts and receipts.(and do not under any circumstances resume a sexual relationship, as this will alter the seperation date, unless you are considering the seperation)

If your children are above a certain age (in Australia 12) the court will give careful consideration to their wishes especially in regard to where they want to live and with whom. And remember not to use the kids as weapons, because you will regret it later as they will remember it and it could well sour your relationship with them - which could take a lifetime to heal. (personal experience)

I hope this helps - dont take it as gospel as Im in Australia but just as friendly advise.

Wish you well Curious Mind

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Should Religion Be Exempt From Ethical Standards?

by AlanF in

i want to raise this serious question: should religion be exempt from normal societal ethical standards?.

i'm raising this question for several reasons.

there is a recent thread where people are arguing about whether religious confessions should be privileged communications.

Curious Mind

What I have a hard time understanding is how any clergy, JW elder's included, would be able to claim this privilege when a victim comes forward asking for help. This is not a case of eccesiastical privilege. The victim is not confessing.

A brief explanation: Privilege does not belong to the lawyer, clergy or any other, it is the property of the victim or the confessor..... therefore privilege can always be waived by the person who owns it... that is why a lawyer, clergy can not disclose... because simply he doesnt own it.

However when the confession involves crimes, whether past or present - the information is no longer privilege beause their is a duty to disclose (in Australia this is the position, not sure about US or UK), this is especially true in cases of child abuse. (this is written is law in different acts).

hope this helps Lady Lee

Curious Mind

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I WAN'T TO COME BACK TO THE TRUTH.....!

by rich_1961 in

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hello everyone.my name is richard and i would like to come back to the truth.i never did get baptized so im not disfellowshiped.my family are still all in the truth,and there lives are so much better than mine.satan has taked over my life completly.and ive had enough.i want to turn my life around and ask jehovah to come back into my heart.i have a very serious drug and alcohol problem.and do not want to live my life like this anymore.i know my life will get better if i let jehovah back in.im just scarred right now.i sill have a little deamon that keeps telling me not to do this.but i really want to.i sure could use some words of encouragement if anyone would like to help i sure would apriciate it.and does anyone know if i can get publcations online...?

my e-mail addy is [email protected] if anyne would like to e-mail me

Curious Mind

Let it go guys .... he is NOT WORTH IT!!!!!

Hes been offered genuine advice and personal experiences and still he calls you morons.... see what kind of reception he gets at the local KH...... coz they know drug addition is contagious.... as is stupidity and he had both.. excellent material to become a rank and file JW.

Curious MInd

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JW Baptism Misrepresentation/Ilegal for under 18's

by Pleasuredome in

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please read this link if you dont understand why the questions on baptism were changed in 1985...... and why baptism in the jws since 1985 is a legal snare.... .

http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/legal.htm

Curious Mind

Quoting Neon Madman: think their answer to that assertion - particularly with reference to those baptized under the post-1985 questions - would be that part of the "contract" was your acceptance of the "faithful and discreet slave" class as God's channel of communication. You also accepted the doctrine of "new light" - that there would be revisions in doctrine from time to time at the whim of the slave. Therefore, any given change in doctrine could have been anticipated under the terms of the original agreement, and is therefore not a reason to negate that agreement.

Good Point however your point is based on the accepting of 'new light' and the differences in post and pre 1985 baptism, however you must remember that the information that you are dealing with is somewhat different from the situation outside the USA, which appears to be ahead of the 'outposts'. I was baptised in 1987, my baptisimal questions fit more in the catergory of those pre 1985, as they did not make any reference of the faithful and discrete slave etc etc. Also the argument is based on every cong doing the same thing and every baptisimal canidate having a complete knowledge, or the cong ensuring the canidate has a complete knowledge. Which is accepted as not being possible before baptism as baptism is only the beginning!!! (whatever that means)

Now all of us out there realises that to be bound to a contract, i diosyncrasies of the contract, especially conditions of termination need to be brought to the attention of the joining party. So I think that pleasuredomes's point about misrepresentaion and possibliy misleading and deceptive conduct (australian legislation in the TPA Act) would be an intersting challenge.

Finally I did realise that the topic was spectulative but my point about being shunned anyway was me being pragmatic.....

Curious MInd

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How Many Have Had Elders Visit?

by Scully in

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just out of curiosity, now that it's been 6 weeks since we had our visit from the elders..... how many of us have been called on by the elders??

what have been the results of the visit?.

love, scully

Curious Mind

Yeah Im twice as bad, coz I have one degree and almost finished another......

Curious MInd

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JW Baptism Misrepresentation/Ilegal for under 18's

by Pleasuredome in

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please read this link if you dont understand why the questions on baptism were changed in 1985...... and why baptism in the jws since 1985 is a legal snare.... .

http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/legal.htm

Curious Mind

interesting topic....

The part of this discussion that is of interest to me, if this is a contract.... ie say you were baptised in 1994 and then in 1995 they change a fundamental doctrine ie generation doctrine, the terms of the intitial contract have varied in such a fundamental way that it could be said that the contract is no longer in force as this new teaching has not been part and parcel of the "consent" of the intial contract. Is this making sense?? So therefore if you then leave the WT in 1995 because of the doctrine change, I would doubt that legally you are still bound to the contract. So in theory you couldnt be DF'ed.

But in essence any legal challenge against a DF'ing would be pointless, as you would still be shunned by everyone... and then there's the issue of not being able to take another brother or the WT to court

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